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		<title>By: Chuck Michaels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Mr. Steinhardt&#039;s heart is in the right place.  He should be given much credit for focusing his philanthropy on Jewish causes, unlike many wealthy Jews.  I do think, however, that he would have more impact on those issues he has identified, and which concern him deeply, but funding Jewish day schools.  I know from my own experience that having my children in Jewish day school, despite the substantial monetary commitment, has not only had a massive impact on keeping my children Jewishly focused, but has done so for me and my wife as well.  My wife and I were not brought up with a Jewish day school education.  My children have the benefits we never had, but just by being part of the Jewish day school community, we have all benefited.  Most Jewish day schools, however, always are in need of funds.  Scholarships are available, but it is always a struggle raising sufficient funds.  If even a fraction of the amount funds spent on Birthright were directed towards Jewish day schools, the impact would be very significant.  Give every Jewish child an opportunity for a Jewish day school education, and you will see a stronger, thriving Jewish community in a very short time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Mr. Steinhardt&#8217;s heart is in the right place.  He should be given much credit for focusing his philanthropy on Jewish causes, unlike many wealthy Jews.  I do think, however, that he would have more impact on those issues he has identified, and which concern him deeply, but funding Jewish day schools.  I know from my own experience that having my children in Jewish day school, despite the substantial monetary commitment, has not only had a massive impact on keeping my children Jewishly focused, but has done so for me and my wife as well.  My wife and I were not brought up with a Jewish day school education.  My children have the benefits we never had, but just by being part of the Jewish day school community, we have all benefited.  Most Jewish day schools, however, always are in need of funds.  Scholarships are available, but it is always a struggle raising sufficient funds.  If even a fraction of the amount funds spent on Birthright were directed towards Jewish day schools, the impact would be very significant.  Give every Jewish child an opportunity for a Jewish day school education, and you will see a stronger, thriving Jewish community in a very short time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mallory Probert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mallory Probert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Mr. Steinhardt, he is overlooking the obvious. birthright&#039;s success is based on its experiential nature. the challenge we face as Jewish educators is to take the SCHOOL out of the equation. There is little reason why religious instruction, when measured out one or two days a week, should resemble secular education. Being Jewish is living, acting, creating, community, questioning Jewish. When we take our students out of their desks and ask them to find their Jewish neshama in everything they do and learn, education will happen. Our charge is to create lasting ties to the land, language and strengthened cultural literacy. Love of God, in whatever fashion, can lead us on this path. Simply because the old model doesn&#039;t work, doesn&#039;t mean that supplemental, informal education cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Mr. Steinhardt, he is overlooking the obvious. birthright&#8217;s success is based on its experiential nature. the challenge we face as Jewish educators is to take the SCHOOL out of the equation. There is little reason why religious instruction, when measured out one or two days a week, should resemble secular education. Being Jewish is living, acting, creating, community, questioning Jewish. When we take our students out of their desks and ask them to find their Jewish neshama in everything they do and learn, education will happen. Our charge is to create lasting ties to the land, language and strengthened cultural literacy. Love of God, in whatever fashion, can lead us on this path. Simply because the old model doesn&#8217;t work, doesn&#8217;t mean that supplemental, informal education cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: www.JonahHalper.com &#124; Jewish Continuity: Michael Steinhardt vs. Debra &#38; David Magerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.JonahHalper.com &#124; Jewish Continuity: Michael Steinhardt vs. Debra &#38; David Magerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was very dissapointed in Michael Steinhardt&#8217;s estimation on the failures of &#8220;Jewish Continuity&#8221; pinning the blame squarely on the shoulders of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karen Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, Michael Steinhardt does not support Torah education. If one looks at the statistics of intermarriage amongst Jews who graduate from an Orthodox Jewish Day school, and by inference, come from a practicing orthodox home environment, they are significantly lower. In many communities, the Orthodox day schools battle financially, as many of the families who send their kids there cannot afford to pay full tuition. Modern buildings, state of the art sports facilities and enrichment programming are not part of the schools’ make up. Many struggle to get by and scrape by month to month on pure emunah. However, if people like Michael Steinhardt were to support the Orthodox Jewish Day school system, these luxuries could become institutionalized. This is turn could help attract more students from less observant families. In my option this would do more in helping the survival of the Jewish people than a trip to Israel where many secular Israelis do not identify themselves as Jews at all and the bleeding heart liberal political agenda often highjacks any hope of pro Israel sentiment.  The Israel that is Steinhardt’s “Jewish miracle” is not the Israel of my children’s generation, unless I steer them to the beauty of the Torah observant communities that continue to thrive there. What Steinhardt has to realize is that Judaism IS  a religion, not a cultural movement. If philanthropic endeavours do not support the religious aspect but only the cultural aspect, we are going to lose more and mor Jews to intermarriage. I feel very sad for Steinhardt who, in my opinion, has only scratched the surface of a very wise and ancient religion and judged the religion based on the people who practice it and not on the wisdom that our Torah has to offer us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, Michael Steinhardt does not support Torah education. If one looks at the statistics of intermarriage amongst Jews who graduate from an Orthodox Jewish Day school, and by inference, come from a practicing orthodox home environment, they are significantly lower. In many communities, the Orthodox day schools battle financially, as many of the families who send their kids there cannot afford to pay full tuition. Modern buildings, state of the art sports facilities and enrichment programming are not part of the schools’ make up. Many struggle to get by and scrape by month to month on pure emunah. However, if people like Michael Steinhardt were to support the Orthodox Jewish Day school system, these luxuries could become institutionalized. This is turn could help attract more students from less observant families. In my option this would do more in helping the survival of the Jewish people than a trip to Israel where many secular Israelis do not identify themselves as Jews at all and the bleeding heart liberal political agenda often highjacks any hope of pro Israel sentiment.  The Israel that is Steinhardt’s “Jewish miracle” is not the Israel of my children’s generation, unless I steer them to the beauty of the Torah observant communities that continue to thrive there. What Steinhardt has to realize is that Judaism IS  a religion, not a cultural movement. If philanthropic endeavours do not support the religious aspect but only the cultural aspect, we are going to lose more and mor Jews to intermarriage. I feel very sad for Steinhardt who, in my opinion, has only scratched the surface of a very wise and ancient religion and judged the religion based on the people who practice it and not on the wisdom that our Torah has to offer us.</p>
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		<title>By: Shut up, Steinhardt! (part II) &#124; Jewschool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shut up, Steinhardt! (part II) &#124; Jewschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I, eloquently put, is here, by dcc. I feel that my thoughts on Steinhardt&#8217;s latest are significantly different from what dcc had to say so I decided to make it a separate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#124; Jewschool</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#124; Jewschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King of Jewish philanthropy  announced that modern Judaism has failed the next generation. In a wide ranging interview on Shalom TV, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonny Cline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Cline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Steinhardt just became one of my heros!!</description>
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		<title>By: Larry Engelhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Engelhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been a Jewish educator, I believe that the strongest influence on kids is their pre-existing Family &amp; Community context. (Community impacts Family which impacts Kid).

I think it can be argued that most kids come out of school with approximately the same religious observance level as they entered ... subject to some exceptions.  

A Religious School (Day School, Yeshiva) has the added strength of bringing the Community into the school environment ... but it&#039;s mostly reinforcing, not creating, observance.  For the most part they get intensive knowledge (cognitive) but relatively little behavioural (affective) impact.

If correct, this would explain why Jewish Camping has been so effective - it effectively becomes both Community &amp; Family for the duration of the camping experience.  

Then, for kids with weaker backgrounds, but who are open to change, the educational experience later provides reinforcement, skills, and context for the changes they are making.

However, kids who are making the change to more &quot;observantly Jewish&quot; lifestyles often have to move away from previous Community &amp; Family standards and that can be intimidating/threatening to both.

Therefore, I posit that the &quot;shandeh&quot; of Jewish Education is a subconsciously deliberate subversion of students to prevent future-members of their Community from moving out (to a more &quot;observant&quot; Community).

The cruel irony is that this deliberate weakening of their identities actually facilitates their moving out (out-marrying, assimilating, etc)so that they are ultimately lost to an even greater extent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been a Jewish educator, I believe that the strongest influence on kids is their pre-existing Family &amp; Community context. (Community impacts Family which impacts Kid).</p>
<p>I think it can be argued that most kids come out of school with approximately the same religious observance level as they entered &#8230; subject to some exceptions.  </p>
<p>A Religious School (Day School, Yeshiva) has the added strength of bringing the Community into the school environment &#8230; but it&#8217;s mostly reinforcing, not creating, observance.  For the most part they get intensive knowledge (cognitive) but relatively little behavioural (affective) impact.</p>
<p>If correct, this would explain why Jewish Camping has been so effective &#8211; it effectively becomes both Community &amp; Family for the duration of the camping experience.  </p>
<p>Then, for kids with weaker backgrounds, but who are open to change, the educational experience later provides reinforcement, skills, and context for the changes they are making.</p>
<p>However, kids who are making the change to more &#8220;observantly Jewish&#8221; lifestyles often have to move away from previous Community &amp; Family standards and that can be intimidating/threatening to both.</p>
<p>Therefore, I posit that the &#8220;shandeh&#8221; of Jewish Education is a subconsciously deliberate subversion of students to prevent future-members of their Community from moving out (to a more &#8220;observant&#8221; Community).</p>
<p>The cruel irony is that this deliberate weakening of their identities actually facilitates their moving out (out-marrying, assimilating, etc)so that they are ultimately lost to an even greater extent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah Halper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonah Halper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie - very admirable indeed!

The problem with this solution, is that it needs to happen on a larger scale and I don&#039;t think the parent masses share your proactive enthusiasm to educate.

I can&#039;t pretend to have the answer on how to address this on a communal level, but think individuals like Steinhardt should think about addressing this on a shake-up scale as he did with Birthright. Birthright may get kids to experience Israel, but it won&#039;t necc. reinforce their decisions if Jewish life was never made a priority outside of Hebrew school...

I think the $64,000 question to Steinhardt&#039;s peeve is how to incorporate distinctly Jewish practice in one&#039;s every day life outside of Orthodoxy. Julie, you do this, and undoubtedly your children will also value its importance. I would place my bets that your kids will stand out on the college campuses, be involved in Jewish life and marry Jewish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie &#8211; very admirable indeed!</p>
<p>The problem with this solution, is that it needs to happen on a larger scale and I don&#8217;t think the parent masses share your proactive enthusiasm to educate.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t pretend to have the answer on how to address this on a communal level, but think individuals like Steinhardt should think about addressing this on a shake-up scale as he did with Birthright. Birthright may get kids to experience Israel, but it won&#8217;t necc. reinforce their decisions if Jewish life was never made a priority outside of Hebrew school&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the $64,000 question to Steinhardt&#8217;s peeve is how to incorporate distinctly Jewish practice in one&#8217;s every day life outside of Orthodoxy. Julie, you do this, and undoubtedly your children will also value its importance. I would place my bets that your kids will stand out on the college campuses, be involved in Jewish life and marry Jewish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that ultimately, the responsibility lies with the parents and the home life that a child is brought up in. 

But, unfortunately, we have come to a point in time where lack of practice in Judaism is not necessarily a rejection of Judaism, but the mere fact, that most Jews in this society just don&#039;t know anything about their Judaism, so how do you expect them to educate their children?

It is the responsibility of not only the educators, but literate Jews-regular people, like you and me, to share what we know. This is the only way to perpetuate our people.

We need to create a movement that is void of these labels that divide us. Quite often, non affiliated Jews feel judged by the Orthodox community. Which at times may be a reality and at times a false perception. You cannot change things, if you don&#039;t recognize the problems, listen to the concerns and work together to  erasing perceptions.

I teach to my non affiliated friends and neighbors every single day. I find something in Torah to learn, I then pick up the phone and make calls to share my knowledge. This is a part of my daily routine, in addition to running a business and raising a family. Can you imagine how we could change the world if we all did such a thing. 

Let&#039;s stop pointing fingers and playing the blame game. If you recognize the problem, take responsibility and do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that ultimately, the responsibility lies with the parents and the home life that a child is brought up in. </p>
<p>But, unfortunately, we have come to a point in time where lack of practice in Judaism is not necessarily a rejection of Judaism, but the mere fact, that most Jews in this society just don&#8217;t know anything about their Judaism, so how do you expect them to educate their children?</p>
<p>It is the responsibility of not only the educators, but literate Jews-regular people, like you and me, to share what we know. This is the only way to perpetuate our people.</p>
<p>We need to create a movement that is void of these labels that divide us. Quite often, non affiliated Jews feel judged by the Orthodox community. Which at times may be a reality and at times a false perception. You cannot change things, if you don&#8217;t recognize the problems, listen to the concerns and work together to  erasing perceptions.</p>
<p>I teach to my non affiliated friends and neighbors every single day. I find something in Torah to learn, I then pick up the phone and make calls to share my knowledge. This is a part of my daily routine, in addition to running a business and raising a family. Can you imagine how we could change the world if we all did such a thing. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stop pointing fingers and playing the blame game. If you recognize the problem, take responsibility and do something about it.</p>
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